The Naked Fear

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...

looks easy enough...certainly more easy than the twins

{deleted post} Chutzpah wrote:

looks easy enough...certainly more easy than the twins

ROFLOOLOL

I thought all day "man, this should be a cakey fight"... I now hold my head down in shame... =(

Steve found this jewel: Have 2 rogues spec into Throwing Specialization and stand in the middle of the healers spamming it.

I found this one: On 25man, assign each of your healers to target one of their dps, and just spam "heal target of target" macro.

{deleted post} Malfurionk wrote:

{deleted post} Chutzpah wrote:

looks easy enough...certainly more easy than the twins

ROFLOOLOL

I thought all day "man, this should be a cakey fight"... I now hold my head down in shame... =(

We just have to come to terms with the tempo of the fight. Like most of its kind, avoiding your own death is extremely important, and once the first enemy is downed, the fight becomes so much easier.

Hobbs beat us to the kill , dammit .. anyways.

tankspot posted a vid on the champions--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDS0tc4fd-s

That is quite a voice she has there. Something to point out. Taunting does work! But it only makes them drop aggro on the person for a bit.

Also someone in that group has the legendary healing mace.

I read a thread on mmo champions about a group just focusing on nuking/zerging down one champion at a time. No worries about CC as it took cast time away.

Spread casters/cloth out and allow for a melee/plate wearing class to come out and pull adds off. Also keeps their healers at bay. Used mass dispel and purge to get rid of hots.

Also, did our tanks switch to dps gear last night? I didn't notice. With no threat tables, seems like we could use all the dmg we can get.

I switched to DPS last night, but I think Mcpoopin and Ghouldan stayed tank. However, it almost seemed worth it for me to stay prot (I tried it in the 10 man), because I have so many thing I can do. Shockwave/concussion blow/shield bash/charge stun/intervene/disarm...that seems like a big enough list for me to think I should stay prot, but then again, I could be wrong.

Apparently the DPS mobs are tauntable, even if they only stay focused on the taunter for the duration of the effect (3 seconds) or slightly longer to allow the AI script to choose a new target. This allows classes with a taunt ability to pull the DK, rogue, and warrior away from squishies and subsequently immobilize them.

We were running 3 tanks on this fight and I really helped. As a druid I could easily keep the warrior on me and still be able to every now and then taunt something else as well. Very very liberal use of taunt seems to make the fight a bunch easier. Taunting one add when it starts to run off until you hit immune then using your other abilities on it while taunting another was very effective.

what you said, joe, about taunting is exactly what i was going to post. taunting the dpsers on a kind of hap hazard rotation is huge. since the fight is hugely impacted by diminishing return timers, spamming taunt on a target isn't going to work. using taunt judiciously, and other CC impacted by DR for that matter, is the key.

though i haven't seen the encounter all up close and personal like, here are some things i will suggest for our raiders to make use of the next time they see this boss:

1) Focus frame, /target focus casting macros

Using the focus frame, and casting macros that automatically cast a spell on your focus without dropping your current target is huge. undeniably. from what i understand the main issue with this fight is the beginning; so once a mob or two is down things will certainly clear up.

assuming that the kill order is the 2 weakest (survivability wise) healers, then move to the hardest hitting/mot obnoxious dps NPC (seems to be really the most logical way to do this to me), the use of /focus and casting macros is undeniably huge. keeping the 2nd healer locked up whilst the first healer is getting owned is the ball game.

For those who don't know about these types of macros, here's some basic info (hit me up for scripts for focus macros or go to www.arenajunkies.com and check out your specific class's macros). Heres an example of what a focus macro does:

When I pvp, arena more specifically, I use a focus cast macro for cyclone and roots, 2 of the 3 reasons that make druids imba in pvp. Both of these are newer additions to my pvp set up (I only pvp on Poobot, and as a healer) but the minute I put those macros on my bars and keyed them to easily reachable keys, I wished I had them weeks earlier. As a healer that doesnt use healbot, I am targeted on my healing target. Being able to stay targeted on my partner, pay attention to my partners debuffs, and all the while being able to cast a clutch cyclone or root a kill target without leaving my healing target it huge.

Say you are a mage...you could make a macro that would cast Counterspell on your focus target without leaving your current target (the target being burned at the beginning of the fight). You can have a focus cast bar up on your focus frame (or customize one through an addon such as Quartz Castbars). If you are a rogue, you could make a macro to blind your focus without dropping your kill target and allowing you to cast the ability with a simple keystroke...not bothering to tab through or clicking.

Again, assuming we'd be killing 2 healers then moving to a DPS oriented NPC, if our desingated CCers have their CC target on the focus frame, their CC abilities bound to focus frame casting macros, the DPS core should be more than able to go balls out on the initial kill target, whilst maintaining their CC responsibility.

2) Tanks

The third healer should have someone like Sackbot (in prot spec) on it. A prot warrior is a big advantage due to all the ways they can stun/silence/interupt and the obvious intimidating shout (though thats any specced warrior ).

Prot paladins are, unfortunately, gimped in this encounter except...this is a complete stretch....a bubble sac in the beginning of the fight when shit is hitting the fan. The one good thing a prot paladin brings (that other paladins do not) is the fact that avengers shield can silence three targets that it hits. This is hugely effective in pvp and is the reason that there is a Prot specced/Holy geared paladin build as a tank of a healer (literally) in PVP Arena combat. Being able to silence 3 targets is great, but if prot paladins have an offspec, they might as well go and switch. We'll have enough silence and interrupts from other classes. You'll still have HoJ in any spec, and putting that on a focus cast macro would be, as stated prevoiusly, full of win.

I dunno anything about DK tanks besides what I've seen on my own lvl 62ish DK...but Grip and the interrupts....yeah basically the same shit I said about sackbot/warrior tanks being viable in this event.

3) Diminishing returns

I'm sure you guys may have gone through some of this stuff already....but the usefulness of a Focus frame, focus macros, and a focus casting bar, and just touching on tanks in a pvp type fight, I really think this could help as well. This is something I've used for a little while on Poobot in the arena, and is a life saver in situations (like CC training) where knowing exactly how much time is left on the DR countdown of an ability on a target. I have a DRTracker addon, aptly named DRTracker, that brings up a countdown bar displaying the DR time remaining for an ability on a certain target.

When I cyclone someone, then cyclone them again, then cyclone them again, they then become immune to my cyclone spell, until the diminishing returns timer hits 0. When the timer runs down for the cyclone spell on the target, I can then be free to cyclone the target 3-4 times (whatever it is) again. This will let you, all you dedicated CCers out there, know exactly how long you have until you can abuse your CC focus frame cast macro button again.


Hope this proves helpful to everyone! Looking forward to seeing these guys on friday/saturday in the raid I'm going to try and put together (or if there is a continuation of the 10 man or 25 man later this week).

Heading back on a jet from Switzerland to the states...its 3:00 am here and literally no one is awake. If any of what I just wrote up above is incoherent or retarded or redundant, I apologize. After all, I'm on a goat motha fucka dont you ever forget.

I solved it. The entire raid needs to have more than 25k hp.

Based on what we've learned, having three interference teams and one focus DPS team looks like the way this is done.

3 tanks keep the melee DPS NPC's occupied (taunt, grip, root, hamstring, cyclone, etc).

3 short-cooldown interrupters keep the non-focus healers occupied (kick, mind freeze, stuns, etc).

3 ranged CC'ers keep the ranged DPS neutralized (CC rotation worked well last time, just on DPS instead of healers this time).

1 dedicated mass dispeller

1 dedicated skull dispeller

8 focus DPS skull, 6 healers.

{deleted post} Chutzpah wrote:

I solved it. The entire raid needs to have more than 25k hp.

That's my line!

RESILIENCE WILL FIX IT


Again: anyone who needs any help setting up focus macros or focus frame stuff, please let me know! lets get this down next week and work on the Valks asap!

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I'm down for being a mass dispeller/skull dispeller. I also have psychic horror, psychic scream, and silence as I'm an unusal pvp/pve mix shadow build at 11/0/60.

Psychic horror causes the enemy to drop weapons and reduce dmg to its target.

Psychic scream is crazy, erratic cc.

Silence silences the target for 7 seconds (could be wrong on that one might be 5). This is huge in real arena pvp when dealing with healers with just 20k hp or so, timed right it can be useful in nuking the first champion down without getting a heal popped.

POOBOT!

I read every word, downloaded a few apps, went to arenajunkies, copied some macros...

I LOVE IT!!!!!

I can still heal my target and cyclone or root my focus, or dps my target and do same. I picked up some for Dirathnar, too. Gonna get a target of target one today, cuz i forgot, lol.

So, what I'm trying to say is:

THANK YOU!

PS: I didn't like the DRTimers add, cuz I didn't know about the Move Anything add, so I got DiminishingReturnsNotifier. DRTimers stayed planted in the middle of my screen, and I couldn't click through it. DRN flashes up warnings when cyclone goes up, and flashes again when it's off and ready to use. So far, it seems to work pretty good.

Also, I have assist macros--one for setting my assist, one to assist, will those work if I use em on the NPC's? In other words, if it worked, whoever they are pounding, I would be healing, if I can set my assist to them. Not finding a good target of target macro...

IMO the best way of healing a certain NPC's target would be to set that NPC as your focus, and then use a target=focustarget modifier. You can then continue doing many other things, including switching targets, without losing the ability to quickly heal the focused NPC's target.

Bonus points for setting up a "target of focus" unit frame and healing less blindly.

im so glad that that post helped at least 1 person! haha!

we'll be going through all this stuff in more detail as we get closer to our next foray into CC25...i want a new screenshot up on the homepage! roar

Used to have a cool macro for my mage back when cc was actually required. Focuses the first thing you sheep, from then on when you press the button sheeps that mob without having to target it. If your focus is dead, doesn't exist, or you have shift held down, repeats the process on your current target. Clears focus if you're holding ctrl down.

Was a godsend on the 3rd boss in hmgt.

/clearfocus [mod:shift]
/clearfocus [mod:ctrl]
/stopmacro [mod:ctrl]
/clearfocus [target=focus,dead]
/clearfocus [target=focus,noexists]
/focus [target=focus,noexists]
/cast [target=focus,harm] polymorph